Jon Moxley's conversation with Chris Jericho went viral when it was released on Wednesday. The former Dean Ambrose gave the fans a strange look into the WWE creative process in Jericho's podcast, while hitting everything from Vince McMahon's vision to the WWE's tendency to overproduce his talent for more than an hour .
Jericho says the answer to his talk is that Jericho's interview with Moxley has been "insane." The WWE legend and the current star of AEW said that the podcast became the best rated episode of Talk is Jericho in 10 hours. In 36 hours, the previous episode No. 1 doubled.
Jericho's interview with Moxley came four days after Moxley's debut that closed the AEW's inaugural show, Double or Nothing, on May 25. While it has been a hot topic in the wrestling community, fans are not the only ones who notice it.
According to Jericho, the current talent of the WWE has approached him about it.
"I've heard many people who work there say:" I can not wait to do my version in X months, "Jericho told ESPN.
Even at the age of 48, Jericho's wrestling career is reaching new heights outside of WWE. He will be in the first fight for the AEW world title against "Hangman" Adam Page in All Out at the end of August, as well as in an IWGP heavyweight title fight with Kazuchika Okada in the Dominion event of New Japan Pro-Wrestling on June 9. his wrestling and podcast commitments, the native of Winnipeg, Manitoba, is also planning the second version of his Jericho Cruise, which sails from January 20 to 24, 2020, going from Miami to the Bahamas with wrestling matches and other events on board the ship on the road. The wrestlers and legends of AEW, like Ric Flair, will be part of the festivities at sea.
While the rumor surrounding Moxley's interview was not unexpected, he had no idea how big it would be. For the most part, Jericho felt everything Moxley said about the WWE creative process, led by a team of writers in a system in which McMahon must approve almost everything, is a common knowledge in the wrestling world.
"It's something that if you work in the WWE system, you know it's true," Jericho said. "It's part of Vince McMahon's genius, it's what he thinks, sometimes you agree, sometimes not, you heard him on the Moxley podcast, when you work for Vince, you have to do things his way. That's right, I think it's very surprising that people hear exactly how intricate Vince's ideas and thoughts are, many of them are geniuses, many are weird, many are weird, but it's up to you to do the best you can and take out the best of what you have, like Moxley did. "
Moxley's main complaint was that WWE wanted him to recite lines literally, while he wanted more freedom in his promotions. Moxley said he now wants to show that the WWE creative process "stinks" and that it is "killing the company."
Jericho said he believes Moxley did the right thing in the way he left the WWE: he did not retreat, did not resign or asked for a release. He waited for his contract to end and leave for AEW, with the added appeal of dates with plusNJPW and a variety of independent promotions.
"You finish your work, you finish, you do what they want to do, you put them who need to be put in and you move to the next territory," Jericho said. "That's the best way to do business, it does not leave, it does not ask for your release, it does not quit, it ends the job you were hired and you're expected to do as a professional, once it's done, then it's up to you. where you want to go and do what you want to do, and that's exactly what Moxley did, and he seems pretty happy now, so I hope that's inspiring for other talents in the business. "
Chris Jericho on what it takes to spin the success of Double or Nothing in building the AEW fanbase. (Video: Tim Fiorvanti)
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Jericho left WWE in 2017 to focus more on his rock band Fozzy. An opportunity came together for him to work a match on New Japan's Wrestle Kingdom 12 show at Tokyo Dome against Kenny Omega in January 2018, so he took it and ended up enjoying the wrestling world outside of WWE, he said. Jericho has made three other games at NJPW since then, including another big fight at the Tokyo Dome against Tetsuya Naito in January at Wrestle Kingdom 13. He even won the Intercontinental IWGP title last year.
The key to Jericho, who made it clear that he never intended to work anywhere other than WWE at this stage of his career, has been his communication with McMahon throughout his decision-making process. It has not burned bridges. Jericho said he even kept McMahon on the circuit before signing with AEW earlier this year, and he never made a big effort to destroy the WWE after his departure.
"I never had to do it, because I had a great relationship with WWE, I had a great relationship with Vince," said Jericho. "I also had 19 years there, 10 of them as a high-level legitimate actor, main event, who had Vince's confidence to at least try different things, now, many of my ideas that he did not use, many of my ideas he used. But at least he knew what the story was and he knew where it came from and vice versa.
"Vince knew about [AEW] all the time. Not only did I appear on AEW and I said: "Here I am, boys." We had a conversation, we discussed it and we both agreed. He was happy for me to take the contract and I was happy to take it, "continued Jericho. I wonder, in retrospect, if you realize how much of AEW it is going to be. And that was caused by Jericho's signature. So it's something he might think differently now. But at that time, he was very happy for me and very pleased that I took this opportunity. "
A prominent fighter who came out of the WWE in a very different way was CM Punk, who left in extremely negative terms. AEW president Tony Khan said after Double or Nothing that he put together a list of possible members of the list before the launch and got most of what he wanted, with Punk as an exception.
Jericho said he is not sure if CM Punk will fight again, but he would not completely rule out being in AEW if he did.
"If he wants to go back to the fight, it would have to be for the right reasons, both in his end and in the end of AEW," Jericho said. "CM Punk is a unique individual, can we use it? Of course we can, can we use it for WWE, of course, it depends on what Punk wants to do and what his attitude is when and if he comes back. a new world, it's not a negative world, it's a positive world, especially in AEW.
"Like I said, if he wants to go in, he'll probably be welcomed with open arms, but I think he'd have to prove himself, as he would like, because I know him, he's a competitor, he's not going back just for a paycheck or just If he comes back, it's because he wants to be here, he wants to fight and he wants to try something, and if he does not feel like that, he won, I do not come back, I think the only person who can answer that question is CM Punk. "